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Lukas Huentemann's avatar

2g (nowadays even 600mg) of R-Alpha-lipoic acid makes me heat up like an oven and supposedly helps with the reductive stress from burning that PUFA.

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John Lawrence Aspden's avatar

How exciting, you are very brave!

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muttguy8's avatar

Don't know if you eat kale (or any of its siblings) but it can hurt the thyroid.

I disagree with the author's conclusions about eating kale (don't do it!!) but the article is still of interest I think.

https://thyroidreport.org/thyroid-information/hypothyroidism-and-kale/

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John Lawrence Aspden's avatar

Why have you changed your name? It's much harder to take muttguy8 seriously!

There are various anti-thyroid vegetables as I remember, but it's all under decent homeostatic control in healthy people so it probably doesn't really matter. Once you're screwed in some way and teetering on the edge you need to worry about these things.

Do you know that there are also goitrogens in tobacco smoke? A man avoiding brassicas should certainly be avoiding smoking!

Animals really don't just keel over at the slightest insult. You need to be doing something weird and new, or have, or have had recently, a counter-evolving enemy.

I'm always a bit freaked out by iodine-deficiency goiters, and even more so by the associated cretinism because that sort of thing shouldn't be possible, but they were definitely a thing in the Alps. I wonder if the local animals show corresponding symptoms?

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muttguy8's avatar

Changed because I wanted anonymity I guess.

I see what I think is kale poisoning all the time - weak blotchy skin, modified Biafra belly (bloated). The amount of kale people consume in smoothies etc is amazing.

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John Lawrence Aspden's avatar

The *symptoms* of hypothyroidism are omnipresent! It's a great puzzle and has been for seventy years or so, read Broda Barnes. But if it was anything to do with underactive thyroid glands we'd know because we can measure the hormone levels.

See:

https://theheartattackdiet.substack.com/p/thyroid-trouble

*I* think, of course, that it's all down to vegetable oils, slowing down the metabolism and causing a 'type 2' version of the disease.

Barnes' test detects it and thyroid hormone tests don't.

Although to be honest it's silly to call it "type 2 hypothyroidism", and it confuses people, it's just hypometabolism probably caused by PUFA poisoning.

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muttguy8's avatar

Thanks for that link. Perhaps your best post ever.

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John Lawrence Aspden's avatar

So kind, thank you! All that is why I'm so interested in the fact that over the last year I've needed less and less. It's been thirteen days now since I last took (a quarter of) a desiccated thyroid pill. I seem to be fine without it now, for the first time in a decade.

I think it means that we can blame everything Barnes thought was caused by thyroid issues on something that I stopped eating roughly one year ago, and that's basically peanut butter and sulphites. I think sulphites are pretty harmless to most people!

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John Lawrence Aspden's avatar

It always strikes me as more honest to use your own name if you're saying things you believe. There are cases when you'd want to say true things without having people know that you think them, but all this is not one of those cases.

Maybe if you were a doctor or something! Which tells you all you need to know about the truth-finding ability of medical "science".

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muttguy8's avatar

I was a little embarrassed about how much I disclosed about myself (smoking). No reason for the world at large to know all that.

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John Lawrence Aspden's avatar

Oh dear, what sort of world is it when an adult has to hide the fact that he smokes?

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muttguy8's avatar

Not so much hiding, just that the whole wide world doesn't need to know.

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Experimental Fat Loss's avatar

That is phenomenal! Assuming you don't have that Graves disease haha. I wonder if it's "just" cutting out the PUFAs over time, or somewhat lower protein, or both? Or something completely different?

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John Lawrence Aspden's avatar

Currently I guess that a year of no-PUFAs has reduced the amount of PUFA I'm carrying to the point where 'no excess protein' is allowing me to mostly dispose of them as they are released before they can bugger anything up. But I am just pulling that out of intuition and thin air.

I'm feeling optimistic about this. But I'm not fixed. I remember what good health is like, and this isn't it. Yet. Also I suspect that eating more protein will bring some of the bad stuff back.

But Coconut went from "lifelong utter metabolic catastrophe" to "fine" in 3 years, so it's possible I'm 1/3rd of the way there.

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Experimental Fat Loss's avatar

Yea and she even briefly dipped below 10% LA on her OQ. You should do one! How hard can it be. Just drag your sorry butt to the local lord and beg him for a few shillings to take to the harbour to purchase one of these magick OmegaQuant Complete tests from across the big pond.

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John Lawrence Aspden's avatar

I agree, I agree. I'll ignore the results because I don't know what they mean, but I should stab myself a couple of times for your database. Sigh. I'll try to book an audience with the Duke. Do these things have proper plugs or will they explode if I connect them to our more virile voltages?

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Experimental Fat Loss's avatar

That's funny coming from a country that uses door handles to flush the toilet..

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John Lawrence Aspden's avatar

A neat trick though, you have to admit. And it avoids wifi issues and having to wait around while the software updates and the thing reboots.

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