I keep thinking about the no-PUFA thing, and I really am convinced it's an important factor, but the monkey wrench in the whole business is the stored PUFA in our own fatty tissue. If PUFAs are the key bit, and we eliminate them, but then we start burning through fat stores, wouldn't the body respond as if we were eating them again? This could conceivably cause the hypothetical lipostat to not work properly until our fat stores are de-PUFAed.
At any rate, looking forward to seeing how this goes for you. My weight has been steadily rising for the last couple weeks as I eat completely ad lib high carb high fat, and I'm dithering between finishing out the one-month trial and aborting to try something different.
I'm fairly convinced that no-PUFAs is good metabolically (and just generally for me), but as far as I know no-one except me's ever claimed that it causes any kind of short-term weight loss on it's own, and I seem to have been wrong.
There are guys on r/saturated fat who claim that after a long time of no-PUFAs, everything seems to go back to working normally and you just go back to normal weight 'by magic' over years, but there are also people e.g. Brad Marshall who don't see that either.
So I now need to find out what on earth it was caused my spectacular effortless weight loss last year. Must be something to do with ex150ish, I guess? Even though I didn't actually do much of it?!
Or maybe PUFAs have sneaked back into my diet somehow. Can't imagine where. Might be a bit, but certainly not in large quantities.
Could be entirely the ex150ish. Doesn't the potato diet sometimes cause lingering weight loss even after stopping the potatoes? If so, ex150 could do the same by ...whatever mechanism it is.
I had this bright idea that if potatoes work and cream works, wouldn't it be hilarious if potatoes + cream worked, but it didn't seem to. I gotta start a blog and do an actual writeup.
Well, I think the SMTM people are finding that potatoes and diary works slightly better than potatoes only, so yes!
I wonder if there's some sort of protein deficiency overhang thing going on, so a couple of two week ex150ish sessions actually caused four months of weight loss.
I thought I'd checked that by staying low protein for a bit after the sour-cream version, though. I might have muffed that up, or maybe there's something funny about sour cream. It doesn't work for u/exfatloss.
Someone pointed out the other day that my thyroid hero Broda Barnes actually recommended a low-protein diet for weight loss in his book many years ago. When I read it I wasn't worried about obesity, so I skipped that chapter. But we kind of have his word that low-protein in an environment of few PUFAs causes weight loss in the obese. I do tend to trust Barnes' observations. He was careful, and the older I get the more I believe that he actually saw what he said he saw.
Oh, that last non-working ex150ish was the sour cream one?
What if we just assume sour cream doesn't work, and it just didn't fuck you up as badly as me, because I'm typically a hyper responder and you're a very moderate responder?
Once you get back from being force-fed by mum, would be interesting to see another ex150-sans-sour-cream experiment, and see if it works or not.
The light blue one was the sour cream one. It seemed to work just like the previous ones for me, and I'd think there was no difference except that it made a big difference for you.
As for 'not working', it pulled off a ton of weight, which then came back again, but that was the same as the previous genuine ex150ish (dark blue).
Once I get back I'll have plenty of spare body fat to do experiments on, and I plan to immediately do a couple of weeks of OG ex150ish to see what happens.
By "not working" here I meant "after the experiment was over, there was a prolonged weight loss effect." It does seem to have obviously worked in the sense that you did lose a lot of weight doing it.
If that's the case, that'd be fascinating on its own - sour cream makes you lose weight in the present, but gain weight in the future? Whereas heavy cream has a "shadow" that seems to last.. what, weeks? Months?
That was my hypothesis too. Maybe ex150 gives you like a month of "unburdened" lag where it still works? That hasn't been the case for me personally, but John isn't me..
His chart seems to support this for the first few periods, but then the most recent weight gain starts right after a blue ex150ish period, which is a strike against this theory.. unless something was different about that one?
Yes I definitely got that the first two times, magic weight loss that went on for months. After that though it stopped. The colour codes are dark-blue ex150ish, green is just ordinary keto, light-blue ex150ish-sour-cream.
So there's one ex150-with-sour-cream fail, but there's also one OG ex150ish fail. Both caused weight loss, but both reversed afterwards.
Oh, I see, yes. The more interesting one is the last ex150ish that failed. After that, the sour cream (light blue) one might just be a continuation of that failure.
For the record, Tucker Goodrich says he lost 20lbs in a few weeks/months just by cutting out PUFAs and has been lean ever since. So you're not the only one.
But yea, it seems most severely overweight people are metabolically deranged enough that cutting out PUFAs isn't enough.x
> For the record, Tucker Goodrich says he lost 20lbs in a few weeks/months just by cutting out PUFAs and has been lean ever since. So you're not the only one.
Ah, thanks, yes that's roughly what happened to me for about four months, and I was like: 'that was easy, probably just PUFAs'. Now it's all reversing, hmm... So probably not PUFAs....
I keep thinking about the no-PUFA thing, and I really am convinced it's an important factor, but the monkey wrench in the whole business is the stored PUFA in our own fatty tissue. If PUFAs are the key bit, and we eliminate them, but then we start burning through fat stores, wouldn't the body respond as if we were eating them again? This could conceivably cause the hypothetical lipostat to not work properly until our fat stores are de-PUFAed.
At any rate, looking forward to seeing how this goes for you. My weight has been steadily rising for the last couple weeks as I eat completely ad lib high carb high fat, and I'm dithering between finishing out the one-month trial and aborting to try something different.
I'm fairly convinced that no-PUFAs is good metabolically (and just generally for me), but as far as I know no-one except me's ever claimed that it causes any kind of short-term weight loss on it's own, and I seem to have been wrong.
There are guys on r/saturated fat who claim that after a long time of no-PUFAs, everything seems to go back to working normally and you just go back to normal weight 'by magic' over years, but there are also people e.g. Brad Marshall who don't see that either.
So I now need to find out what on earth it was caused my spectacular effortless weight loss last year. Must be something to do with ex150ish, I guess? Even though I didn't actually do much of it?!
Or maybe PUFAs have sneaked back into my diet somehow. Can't imagine where. Might be a bit, but certainly not in large quantities.
Could be entirely the ex150ish. Doesn't the potato diet sometimes cause lingering weight loss even after stopping the potatoes? If so, ex150 could do the same by ...whatever mechanism it is.
I had this bright idea that if potatoes work and cream works, wouldn't it be hilarious if potatoes + cream worked, but it didn't seem to. I gotta start a blog and do an actual writeup.
Well, I think the SMTM people are finding that potatoes and diary works slightly better than potatoes only, so yes!
I wonder if there's some sort of protein deficiency overhang thing going on, so a couple of two week ex150ish sessions actually caused four months of weight loss.
I thought I'd checked that by staying low protein for a bit after the sour-cream version, though. I might have muffed that up, or maybe there's something funny about sour cream. It doesn't work for u/exfatloss.
Someone pointed out the other day that my thyroid hero Broda Barnes actually recommended a low-protein diet for weight loss in his book many years ago. When I read it I wasn't worried about obesity, so I skipped that chapter. But we kind of have his word that low-protein in an environment of few PUFAs causes weight loss in the obese. I do tend to trust Barnes' observations. He was careful, and the older I get the more I believe that he actually saw what he said he saw.
Oh, that last non-working ex150ish was the sour cream one?
What if we just assume sour cream doesn't work, and it just didn't fuck you up as badly as me, because I'm typically a hyper responder and you're a very moderate responder?
Once you get back from being force-fed by mum, would be interesting to see another ex150-sans-sour-cream experiment, and see if it works or not.
The light blue one was the sour cream one. It seemed to work just like the previous ones for me, and I'd think there was no difference except that it made a big difference for you.
As for 'not working', it pulled off a ton of weight, which then came back again, but that was the same as the previous genuine ex150ish (dark blue).
Once I get back I'll have plenty of spare body fat to do experiments on, and I plan to immediately do a couple of weeks of OG ex150ish to see what happens.
Sorry, I was being sloppy with my words.
By "not working" here I meant "after the experiment was over, there was a prolonged weight loss effect." It does seem to have obviously worked in the sense that you did lose a lot of weight doing it.
If that's the case, that'd be fascinating on its own - sour cream makes you lose weight in the present, but gain weight in the future? Whereas heavy cream has a "shadow" that seems to last.. what, weeks? Months?
That was my hypothesis too. Maybe ex150 gives you like a month of "unburdened" lag where it still works? That hasn't been the case for me personally, but John isn't me..
His chart seems to support this for the first few periods, but then the most recent weight gain starts right after a blue ex150ish period, which is a strike against this theory.. unless something was different about that one?
Yes I definitely got that the first two times, magic weight loss that went on for months. After that though it stopped. The colour codes are dark-blue ex150ish, green is just ordinary keto, light-blue ex150ish-sour-cream.
So there's one ex150-with-sour-cream fail, but there's also one OG ex150ish fail. Both caused weight loss, but both reversed afterwards.
Oh, I see, yes. The more interesting one is the last ex150ish that failed. After that, the sour cream (light blue) one might just be a continuation of that failure.
For the record, Tucker Goodrich says he lost 20lbs in a few weeks/months just by cutting out PUFAs and has been lean ever since. So you're not the only one.
But yea, it seems most severely overweight people are metabolically deranged enough that cutting out PUFAs isn't enough.x
> For the record, Tucker Goodrich says he lost 20lbs in a few weeks/months just by cutting out PUFAs and has been lean ever since. So you're not the only one.
Ah, thanks, yes that's roughly what happened to me for about four months, and I was like: 'that was easy, probably just PUFAs'. Now it's all reversing, hmm... So probably not PUFAs....