> I still think PUFAs must be involved in the modern obesity crisis and epidemic of pseudo-hypothyroidism somehow. But it's obviously not as simple as 'you go monotonically back to normal as you clear them from your fat stores'.
You can't have cleared all PUFAs from your fat stores after only 6 months or so of avoiding them. The shortest time frame I've seen people mention is 2-3 years, with 4-7 being more common. In weight stable people, the half life seems to be about 680 days.
Curiously, reading this post, what's happening to you sounds a bit like what happened to me. Everything awesome, weight dropping like a rock for 4-5 months. Suddenly, a plateau. All summer long.
I'm currently at a new low simply doing OG ex150 again, and I just kinda don't feel like I'm doing much different. Maybe the body just needed some time to recalibrate after a while before it was ready to lose more weight? It sure is mysterious.
Also just from a black box perspective, something's wrong with sour cream and similar foods. I don't think protein explains it, either. Nor do carbs, probably. I have no idea.
> Maybe the body just needed some time to recalibrate after a while before it was ready to lose more weight? It sure is mysterious.
It sure is, but the mystery is why it's fun! We knew it was going to be complicated because if it wasn't we'd already know.
A couple of months ago when I'd realised that peanut butter had screwed up my first six months of PUFA-avoidance and the whole thing looked like it was explained by PUFAs and BCAAs I was thinking: "Well, that was easy. Almost too easy...."
That theory probably just passes the bar of "If it was this easy we'd already know", but only just.
> Also just from a black box perspective, something's wrong with sour cream and similar foods.
I'm tempted to agree, ex150ish-4-sour-cream seemed to work as usual for me while I was doing it, but the rebound afterwards didn't happen with the previous ex150ish bouts (although I wasn't trying to stay low protein after the previous bouts either).
And the fact that it causes hyperphagia in you when heavy cream doesn't seems really significant.
> I'm currently at a new low simply doing OG ex150 again, and I just kinda don't feel like I'm doing much different.
Great work. Congratulations!
> I'm about 1 BMI behind you.
Three weeks at home should reverse our positions....
I am pretty convinced that ex150 works for weight loss. I'm just confused about why, and what the underlying problem is, and about what needs to be done to actually fix the problem for good (hopefully just PUFA avoidance, so the seed oil guys can fully hydrogenate their oils and the world will just recover).
> Curiously, reading this post, what's happening to you sounds a bit like what happened to me. Everything awesome, weight dropping like a rock for 4-5 months. Suddenly, a plateau. All summer long.
I was thinking that too. Except for me, the plateau started at the end of summer, so at least it's not a seasonal thing.
> You can't have cleared all PUFAs from your fat stores after only 6 months or so of avoiding them.
No certainly not! But since I'm not eating them, and can't synthesise them, the amount must be going down. And so if PUFAs are the main consideration, things should be getting better, not worse.
> I still think PUFAs must be involved in the modern obesity crisis and epidemic of pseudo-hypothyroidism somehow. But it's obviously not as simple as 'you go monotonically back to normal as you clear them from your fat stores'.
You can't have cleared all PUFAs from your fat stores after only 6 months or so of avoiding them. The shortest time frame I've seen people mention is 2-3 years, with 4-7 being more common. In weight stable people, the half life seems to be about 680 days.
Curiously, reading this post, what's happening to you sounds a bit like what happened to me. Everything awesome, weight dropping like a rock for 4-5 months. Suddenly, a plateau. All summer long.
I'm currently at a new low simply doing OG ex150 again, and I just kinda don't feel like I'm doing much different. Maybe the body just needed some time to recalibrate after a while before it was ready to lose more weight? It sure is mysterious.
Also just from a black box perspective, something's wrong with sour cream and similar foods. I don't think protein explains it, either. Nor do carbs, probably. I have no idea.
I'm about 1 BMI behind you.
> Maybe the body just needed some time to recalibrate after a while before it was ready to lose more weight? It sure is mysterious.
It sure is, but the mystery is why it's fun! We knew it was going to be complicated because if it wasn't we'd already know.
A couple of months ago when I'd realised that peanut butter had screwed up my first six months of PUFA-avoidance and the whole thing looked like it was explained by PUFAs and BCAAs I was thinking: "Well, that was easy. Almost too easy...."
That theory probably just passes the bar of "If it was this easy we'd already know", but only just.
> Also just from a black box perspective, something's wrong with sour cream and similar foods.
I'm tempted to agree, ex150ish-4-sour-cream seemed to work as usual for me while I was doing it, but the rebound afterwards didn't happen with the previous ex150ish bouts (although I wasn't trying to stay low protein after the previous bouts either).
And the fact that it causes hyperphagia in you when heavy cream doesn't seems really significant.
We need to make a list of mysteries somewhere.
> I'm currently at a new low simply doing OG ex150 again, and I just kinda don't feel like I'm doing much different.
Great work. Congratulations!
> I'm about 1 BMI behind you.
Three weeks at home should reverse our positions....
I am pretty convinced that ex150 works for weight loss. I'm just confused about why, and what the underlying problem is, and about what needs to be done to actually fix the problem for good (hopefully just PUFA avoidance, so the seed oil guys can fully hydrogenate their oils and the world will just recover).
> Curiously, reading this post, what's happening to you sounds a bit like what happened to me. Everything awesome, weight dropping like a rock for 4-5 months. Suddenly, a plateau. All summer long.
I was thinking that too. Except for me, the plateau started at the end of summer, so at least it's not a seasonal thing.
> You can't have cleared all PUFAs from your fat stores after only 6 months or so of avoiding them.
No certainly not! But since I'm not eating them, and can't synthesise them, the amount must be going down. And so if PUFAs are the main consideration, things should be getting better, not worse.