The carry-over effect is definitely interesting. It's also interesting that I don't seem to see it at all, or maybe my water regain is just so intense that it totally masks any leftover fat loss effect.
A sort of longer-lasting protein "deficiency" as you called it would be curious to study. I think that technically this isn't directly the case, because amino acids (which make proteins) should be there nearly immediately after you start eating more protein again. And these also barely last 12-24h in the blood stream, and we can't store them.
But the "mitochondrial uncoupling" effect seems to take about 7 days of restricting protein to ~7% until it kicks in and upregulates UCP-1. Maybe it also takes 1-2 weeks to downregulate again? Or maybe it's different in different people?
Overall, sounds like a pretty good deal, the only downside being the surprise headaches.
Why are we thinking there's a "mitochondrial uncoupling" effect? That would imply heat generation without ATP generation. But I tend to feel really good on ex150, like I've suddenly got loads of energy and no fatigue at all. I'd intuit that my mitochondria are working better!
Because that seems to be happening with severe protein restriction, UCP-1 (uncoupling protein 1) gets upregulated. Might be something else too, but this seems very similar to the effect we see in humans doing this.
> Overall, sounds like a pretty good deal, the only downside being the surprise headaches.
I'm a couple of days into ex150ish-6 now and everything is going very smoothly and as-expected. I think the headaches must have been sulphites in the pickled cabbage. Boo. I love malt vinegar, it's my favourite thing to add to food.
As for the differences between us, remember that I'm tending to finish ex150ish bouts by eating carbs, which doesn't seem to do much to me except cause the water weight to come back, whereas you're doing it by eating buckets of protein which causes you hyperphagia I think?
Come to think of it, why are you getting water-weight losses and gains at all? You never eat carbs so you shouldn't have any glycogen for that water to bind to??
I really want to try ex150ish-minimal-carbs some day.... Just enough to stay out of ketosis and see what that does.
I'm still tempted by my idea about needing low protein to burn PUFAs for some reason, even though I did try it and it didn't seem to work, but maybe there was something else going on then.
The carry-over effect is definitely interesting. It's also interesting that I don't seem to see it at all, or maybe my water regain is just so intense that it totally masks any leftover fat loss effect.
A sort of longer-lasting protein "deficiency" as you called it would be curious to study. I think that technically this isn't directly the case, because amino acids (which make proteins) should be there nearly immediately after you start eating more protein again. And these also barely last 12-24h in the blood stream, and we can't store them.
But the "mitochondrial uncoupling" effect seems to take about 7 days of restricting protein to ~7% until it kicks in and upregulates UCP-1. Maybe it also takes 1-2 weeks to downregulate again? Or maybe it's different in different people?
Overall, sounds like a pretty good deal, the only downside being the surprise headaches.
Why are we thinking there's a "mitochondrial uncoupling" effect? That would imply heat generation without ATP generation. But I tend to feel really good on ex150, like I've suddenly got loads of energy and no fatigue at all. I'd intuit that my mitochondria are working better!
Because that seems to be happening with severe protein restriction, UCP-1 (uncoupling protein 1) gets upregulated. Might be something else too, but this seems very similar to the effect we see in humans doing this.
> Overall, sounds like a pretty good deal, the only downside being the surprise headaches.
I'm a couple of days into ex150ish-6 now and everything is going very smoothly and as-expected. I think the headaches must have been sulphites in the pickled cabbage. Boo. I love malt vinegar, it's my favourite thing to add to food.
As for the differences between us, remember that I'm tending to finish ex150ish bouts by eating carbs, which doesn't seem to do much to me except cause the water weight to come back, whereas you're doing it by eating buckets of protein which causes you hyperphagia I think?
Come to think of it, why are you getting water-weight losses and gains at all? You never eat carbs so you shouldn't have any glycogen for that water to bind to??
I really want to try ex150ish-minimal-carbs some day.... Just enough to stay out of ketosis and see what that does.
Excess protein probably just turns into glycogen too, or even glucose. Could be creatine or some other thing too.
I'm still tempted by my idea about needing low protein to burn PUFAs for some reason, even though I did try it and it didn't seem to work, but maybe there was something else going on then.