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I have had a similar thing w.r.t. my free-fed set point spiking ridiculously after long-term apparently-effective dieting [ not just caloric restriction ], even though I have no issues with carbs whatsoever [ I am apparently completely metabolically normal ] [ so my "effective dieting" involved parameters unrelated to seed oils ].

I'm tired and won't be the best at explaining right now, but I predict body fat set point will turn out to be something like sleep cycle length [ e. g. the results here https://sci-hub.cat/storage/2024/7270/b89547be7a20dc9504c3b90a8e63b113/wever1984.pdf#navpanes=0&view=FitH ], where it's reliant on some truly weird exogenous governor or spoiler signal [ in the case of sleep cycle it's, among other things, ambient EM radiation, which acts as an auxiliary body clock, so you take longer to get to sleep in a Faraday cage ], like weirder than anything Seth Roberts ever thought of [ it has to be, otherwise our ancestors who did in fact have access to reliable surpluses of the same few foods would have been obese ].

When you go home, suddenly whatever artificial spoiler signal you've semi-deliberately been pumping yourself full of [ chemically or informationally, e.g. it could relate to light or social interaction patterns ] is completely gone, and your *natural* satiety pathway, which was already damaged by endocrine disruptors and possibly aging, has also atrophied from disuse [ the artificial signal having been throttling the hunger pathway before it could self-inhibit through the POMC pathway ], so your hunger pathway is running completely unopposed. That's my current working theory.

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Very curious. The interaction between weight GAIN but thyroid medication LOSS is interesting. I wonder if there's some sort of K-shaped recovery going on?

It seems that your ex150ish "set point" has been slowly dropping, your thyroid has slowly been improving. But only when you "overfeed" at your mom's place does the thyroid force you to drop the dose completely.

It sounds a bit like what some Peaters describe, where Peating (=low PUFA swamping incl lots of sugar) causes them to be very energetic & feel good after being what they call "hypothyroid" forever, but a lot of them also gain fat.

Maybe this is a stage in PUFA-recovery in which different systems have recovered at different speeds, creating this K-shaped recovery? Your body is now able to use energy much better than before -> lower thyroid dose needed. But it's still not able to swamp perfectly well, and frankly not even get to normal weight when avoiding the swamp hard (-> both of us still overweight even on ex150).

My hypothesis is that this K-shaped phenomenon will go away in x years where x is >4 or so and you won't overeat and won't gain fat as much when eating at your mom's place.

Personally I never seemed to have the "hypo" symptoms, so it's less K-shaped for me I suppose. Just the "can't swamp" part.

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